Posts by Anony Mous

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To My Fellow Atheists...

by Pika_Chu in

i present to you:.

quite possibly the worst attempt at apologetics ever.... .

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/nogod.html.

Anony Mous

That type of Love is NOT the love of God.

Tthat is, at best, a poor manifestation of it, a "selfish love".

Love has very little to do with "working together for the common good".

Can you please explain to me what love is then. I truly don't know, I'm in the autistic spectrum and have no need for nor feelings of "love" or affection, I can mimic the actions associated with them though. I can reason logically and see through people, I'm not swayed by the typical actions of a car salesman for example or love bombing in the organization. If love is 'in' somebody and/or is a gift of God why do people with autism have no need or feelings for it? And why does all love seem self-serving?

Love for me is an action that allows me to survive and to have a modicum of normal life and that is what I see love is all about around me when you boil things down. Love for man/wife because you want to have somebody to provide you with the basic human needs - sustenance, protection and procreation. Love for God because you want Him/Her/It to provide you with eternal life and because you're scared of him because somebody told you or you want an explanation for things you can't explain yourself.

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JWs and the Family Unit - Calling Maze to defend assertions

by Retrovirus in

in the thread about the wt in russia, maze made the assertions below.. .

jehovah's witnesses as an organization acts as a protection to the family unit.

andthe lie that jehovah's witnesses ruin families is apostate poison.. to aviod derailing that thread, i ask maze to defend them here.. my experience is that the jw religion destroyed my brothers' marriage.

Anony Mous

There's only one<sic> organization on the planet that puts into practice Jesus' words at Matthew 5:32. This acts as a strengthening aid to the marriage arrangement.

I would beg to differ. This is typical JW (and US nationalist) brainwashing techniques "we're the best as long as we don't look elsewhere". It does not help one iota according to many experts and statistics - religious people have more affairs than non-religious people. The only thing it does is repress the fact that people have affairs and make people hide it resulting in worse communication and worse break ups.

If you're looking at the unscriptural act of shunning for failing to live up to their biblical interpretation of marital law you could also look at Mormons, Anabaptists and about 15% of all Protestant denominations. Maybe you should really investigate other religions objectively (not through the Watchtower looking glass) before making such rash statements about them.

I also fail to see where people are "to get baptized when they're mature" when 1) 7 year olds getting baptized is advertised in even recent publications and 2) teenagers getting baptized is actively encouraged while teenage (and even young adult) marriages are not. I would think the two are on par with the amount of responsibility and weight they carry. I would say baptism as a JW is even more weighty than marriage since you can get out of a JW marriage with comparatively minor repercussions (trust me, I've done it). So my question stands, why do you (and by extension the organization) think it is ethically and morally responsible to allow such young ones to make such decisions at times they are heavily influenced and easily swayed. Some Mormon denominations will actually send their kids away to see what it is like outside the religious organization. By extension this also begs the question, why are there major repercussions for other family members (loss of status and responsibility in the org., private/public reproof) when one of their children chooses not to be a JW - does this not put undue pressure on the child and family?

Another question: Why does the WTBTS not publish a verse-by-verse exegesis of the Bible? There are several verses in Job and Psalm that have not a single explanation or reference in any WT publication and probably more (found that one out in my family bible study). I find personally that the 'provision of spiritual food' is severely lacking for people of higher intake capacity and intellect. I can read all the 'spiritual food' provided monthly in about 5 hours and I find it highly repetitive. Books and brochures provided at conventions are likewise highly repetitive and can be read through in a day or two tops. Where is the stuff that tickles our intellect and provides information on "all" scriptures (2 Tim. 3:16)?

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Real Jehovah's Witnesses (djeggnog, StandFirm, etc), I'm trying to understand you.

by pirata in

jw
friends

i'm an active jehovah's witness.

i've obviously lost my faith, that's why i don't feel bad posting here anymore.

i'd probably be disfellowshipped as a division causing, teaching, apostate, faster than you can say "maher-shalal-hash-baz" (isaiah 8:1), should it be found out that i was posting here and did not repent of the things i've said and stop participating in this forum.

Anony Mous

The Internet has been around for little less than 50 years now (it actually sent it's first messages in the late 1960's). The GB has been using the Internet to it's advantage to get the message out and to save money on postal mail and other business transactions. However the GB has NEVER and will NEVER engage in dialogue with either those of their own faith or those of other faiths. They truly don't care about what YOU think as an individual, nobody in the organization really does care in any function to advantage of the organization.

All they care about is to get the message and print publications OUT. You know why they are still going from door-to-door even though they themselves admit it's not always the best solution - it's a trademark, look at any of the recent KM's, that's what they call it. If JW's could go online to preach, they would lose that trademark.

The JW's is a company founded on the publishing of print materials. On the web it's very hard to publish materials AND make a profit on it. Setting up a website with the amount of traffic the JW.org gets costs maybe $10,000/year and people know. Whenever they publish a publication and put it online they say 'the Watchtower incurs a cost for each download but it's not as bad as a printed book' - everybody knows darn well that to publish it online costs them near to nothing. Look at the papers that try to put a pay wall around their online content - nobody pays for it.

In the mean time they have always claimed that this great work is done by 8 fellows in a building somewhere. When you stop the presses, all you need is those 8 fellows and maybe some supporting staff and a web server somewhere, at tops 100 people could handle the whole WTBTS business in a fully online world.

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Free anti virus protection

by d in

jw
friends

does anybody know of an free antivirus protection software i can install on my computer..

Anony Mous

Get a Mac

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Jehovah is awe inspiring!

by Sour Grapes in

a witless friend sent this to me yesterday.

able to copy the picture however the email is interesting.

and really shows the depth of their mentality.. sour grapes.

Anony Mous

It's BS on the mere premise that even if it were a stadium light powering the thing (5kW but it's not, I doubt it's just 1 kW) it would cost them less than $9/night and that is if they payed premium single house electricity prices. More likely they pay less than half of that for electricity since they're a pretty big building and pay bulk rates. Saving all of $300/month is not going to help them all that much for a $900M business. If they simply wanted to save some money on the sign, they could switch it to LED's and use about a tenth of electricity on the sign.

According to my 'most likely' calculations they spend $30/month on the sign if they still use classic lighting. If they're eco-friendly and invest $1000 in high powered LED's they could spend $3/month on the sign without bulb repairs for the next 10-20 years.

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Logic problem set by school for my 6 year old

by besty in

jw
friends

input welcome:.

3 children collect 4 different shells on the beach.

(4 shells in total, not 4 shells per child) each child has a bucket.

Anony Mous

3 4 = 81

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JWs and the Family Unit - Calling Maze to defend assertions

by Retrovirus in

in the thread about the wt in russia, maze made the assertions below.. .

jehovah's witnesses as an organization acts as a protection to the family unit.

andthe lie that jehovah's witnesses ruin families is apostate poison.. to aviod derailing that thread, i ask maze to defend them here.. my experience is that the jw religion destroyed my brothers' marriage.

Anony Mous

Anyone else notice that Maze doesn't really respond to the questions. He just gives generalizations, watchtower publications and scriptures that tell how we JW's (and Christians) should behave but really don't.

The proof: "U.S. Religious Landscape Survey 2008" by The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life surveyed 35,000 people and presents findings on divorce/separation rates. (http://religions.pewforum.org/reports as at April 20 2008) The following graph from the report shows the Witness rate of 14% was slightly above the U.S. average of 12%.

The Pew Forum regularly publishes information on their website, open for everyone to review AND they publish HOW they got that information as well. They are a legitimate, scientific source and even the WTBTS uses them sometimes to show that JW's are the fastest growing religion (although they have the lowest retention rate).

- You do know that atheists don't allow others to take their children to church. People rear their children according to their core values and beliefs.

You do know that most religions don't mind that children leave their church when they are old enough. In the US and the EU, children have the RIGHT to choose their own religion, the WTBTS curtails that right by placing heavy sanctions upon any display of disloyalty to the organization. I don't know of any atheist (there might be a few but the vast majority) that would not allow their children to go to a religious service. Most interested parents do encourage a cultural experience of several religions and if the child finds something that they want, very few parents would get in the way of that.

A question for you: do you think it is morally correct to allow children to be baptized and let them agree verbally to give up their rights to freedom of religion at an age that they are highly influenced and susceptible to do whatever it is that they need to do to be accepted by peers, parents and people in authority? Those kids are having sex, babies, smoke and do drugs just to belong or please, why is locking in their religion until they either die or get rejected by everybody they know acceptable just to belong or please?

- I know plenty of Jehovah's Witnesses that have unbelieving mates and respect their spouses stand and beliefs

I know too and the mate is regularly pressured into worshipping with JW's (simply coming to the meetings is worship according to WTBTS) however when that mate pressures a JW into participating in their worship it is unacceptable and persecution where the mate is a peon of Satan himself. Most other churches respect other religions and advocate leaving people alone to make up their mind.

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Had the magazines left at my house today and wanted to "SCREAM" after reading this article in the May 1,2011 WT

by StoneWall in

the article that caught my eye as i was thumbing through it was on page 18 entitled "a peaceable people defend their good name".

this was all about the issues being addresssed in russia and how the j.w.

's were being oppressed/repressed.. but if you look in the box to the left under "a note to the citizens of russia", you will see that they quote the scripture in luke 12:2 "there is nothing carefully concealed that will not be revealed, and secret that will not become known.".

Anony Mous

What gets me is that the JW's already lodged over 30 complaints in with the EU and they were all shot down. They have taken a note from the lobbyist and will just keep influencing the political apparatus and jamming the courts with frivolous lawsuits until they get their way.

In France they are now labeled as a cult and not as a religion and it's being upheld by the EU. They're now fighting for the amount of back-taxes when they were still labeled as a religion.

In Belgium they are labeled as a commercial organization and it's being upheld by the highest courts in that country, lawsuit in the EU is pending.

In Russia they are labeled as a dangerous cult and it's being upheld by the EU, lawsuits about banning literature is pending.

In Bulgaria they had to settle for no more blood and shunning doctrine and it's being upheld by the EU

The only thing they got left is the Freedom of Speech (which they claim is going from door to door) and going against banning of literature (which will most likely be going in favor of the Witnesses).

In my congregation (and several others I heard off) there are now restraining orders (had to announce it from the stage during the Service Meeting - WT Legal told us to change the announcement to a Civil-Disobedience-Order instead of the official "Order of Protection" making it sound like (upscale street in our area) there are thugs in the street or so) on certain streets. It's a "No Offensive Conduct" order upheld by the local courts by some people complaining the Witnesses were there several weekends in a row (Probably some numb nut using the same territory for the normal service, invitations for memorial, invitations for special talk and then back to normal service).

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To My Fellow Atheists...

by Pika_Chu in

i present to you:.

quite possibly the worst attempt at apologetics ever.... .

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/nogod.html.

Anony Mous

@sabastious

I don't get why your belief in God is solidified by a flaw in your logic.

- You do not need a reason or a goal to live. The reason you live is because your parents had sex. This is done by all animals to sustain their race. You can have goals and reasons all you want but you are not guaranteed you can accomplish them. If God exists and he gives meaning to your life because your goals are accomplished through faith in him you cannot fail since if you fail one of them either your faith in God or God himself is flawed.

- If God exists but does not manifest himself does God really exist? He is basically the tree in the forest that falls with nobody around to hear it. Did the tree really fall? Until you can examine the state of the tree, you cannot prove it either way (makes me think about quantum physics). God is not examinable (he cannot be put to the test) and therefore something that cannot be examined cannot be proven to exist, only theorized about.

- Love (altruism) is not unique to humans. It is merely a survival instinct and symbiosis. If you can get a group together to kill an animal you'll be more likely to eat than doing it by yourself, therefore it is in the best interest of an animal to work together with another animal for survival and positive evolution of the race.

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To My Fellow Atheists...

by Pika_Chu in

i present to you:.

quite possibly the worst attempt at apologetics ever.... .

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/nogod.html.

Anony Mous

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanished in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

- Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy